Wiped Routines

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In progress.  I know the layout's a total mess, but I'll sort it out in due course!

The Gojos:

Almost all of them! See list here.

The Beat Girls:

Almost all of them! See list here of only known survivals.

Pan's People:

1968 - all of them.  See list.

1969 - all of them.  See list.

1970:

DATE: TRACK: ARTIST:

22 Jan 70

Time

Edwin Starr

19 Feb 70

Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye

Steam

19 Mar 70

Rag Mama Rag

The Band

02 Apr 70

Spirit in the Sky

Norman Greenbaum

09 Apr 70

Farewell is a Lonely Soun

Jimmy Ruffin

16 Apr 70

Never Had A Dream Come True

Stevie Wonder

23 Apr 70

House of the Rising Sun

Frijid Pink

30 Apr 70

Do the Funky Chicken

Rufus Thomas

07 May 70

Travellin' Band

Creedance Clearwater Revival

14 May 70

Daughter of Darkness

Tom Jones

21 May 70

Up the Ladder to the Roof

The Supremes

28 May 70

ABC

Jackson 5

04 Jun 70

Cotton Fields

Beach Boys

11 Jun 70

Abraham, Martin and John

Marvin Gaye

09 Jul 70

It's All in the Game

The Four Tops

16 Jul 70

Love Like a Man

Ten Years After

23 Jul 70

Something

Shirley Bassey

30 Jul 70

Big Yellow Taxi

Joni Mitchell

20 Aug 70

The Tears of a Clown

Smokey Robinson & the Miracles

27 Aug 70

Give Me Just A Little More Time

Chairmen of the Board

24 Sep 70

Don't Play that Song

Aretha Franklin

01 Oct 70

Ball of Confusion

Temptations

29 Oct 70

War

Edwin Starr

05 Nov 70

Whole Lotta Love

CCS

19 Nov 70

Cracklin' Rosie

Neil Diamond

10 Dec 70

I'll Be There

Jackson 5

25 Dec 70

The Tears of a Clown

Smokey Robinson & The Miracles

26 Dec 70

Spirit in the Sky

Norman Greenbaum

 

1971:

 

07-Jan-71

You're Ready Now

Frankie Valli

-

 

14 Jan 71

Amazing Grace

Judy Collins

-

 

28 Jan 71

Stoned Love

Supremes

-

 

04 Feb 71

Resurrection Shuffle

Ashton, Gardner & Dyke

-

 

11 Mar 71

Another Day

Paul McCartney & Wings

-

 

 

01 Apr 71

Walkin'

CCS

-

 

15 Apr 71

Remember Me

Diana Ross

-

 

21 Oct 71

Sultana

Titanic

-

 

11 Nov 71

Surrender

Diana Ross

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1972

1973

1974

1975

1976

Ruby Flipper:

Date:

Track:

Artist:

01 Jul 76

A Little Bit More

Dr Hook

01 Jul 76

It Only Takes A Minute

One Hundred Tons and a Feather

12 Aug 76

Afternoon Delight (Sue / Phil)

Starland Vocal Band

12 Aug 76

You Should Be Dancing (survives as repeat: 26 Aug 76)

Bee Gees

 

Legs & Co:

1976:

DATE:

TRACK:

ARTIST:

11 Nov 76

Spinning Rock Boogie

Hank C Burnette

18 Nov 76

Do You Feel Like We Do

Peter Frampton

02 Dec 76

Somebody to Love

Queen

16 Dec 76

You'll Never Get to Heaven

The Stylistics

 

1977:

DATE:

TRACK:

ARTIST:

10 Feb 77

Boogie Nights

Heatwave

03 Mar 77

Sound and Vision

David Bowie

04 Aug 77

Nights on Broadway

Candy Staton

08 Aug 77

Oxygene

Jean Michel Jarre

 

 

52 comments

panfan's picture

Following on from Peter's 'Wanted!' post and other discussions of wiped routines, I thought it might be a good idea to create a list like in our Routines section, where we can list the wiped routines together, and incorporate thumbnails from any press, publicity items found by Cornershop and others.

I will link this to a new graphic on the front page asking for help with finding these routines, and who knows, maybe some future visitors might find they have something very valuable in their hands!

As to how to handle any submissions: I'm open to suggestions. I guess one or both of the BBC and BFI, or the National Media Museum? Maybe someone like saintsray could advise?

In the meantime WR could start compiling a list of known wiped routines below, that would be great. When I get a chance in the evening I'll make a start by copying from the PP, RF and LC years we've covered so far.

Ok, maybe a little overlap with this, but I though there's a potentially great benefit to be gained by highlighting the list and placing it on the front page.

Flight14's picture

Wouldn't it be brilliant Panfan if we could be responsible for locating or rediscovering at least one Pan' s People or Legs & Co. routine that was thought wiped & lost.I mean if this website could be instrumental in re-locating the 'lost' routines from whatever source.Also so many of the members on here come up with the most amazing newspaper cuttings & press photos that we could list for example:

                             'US Male' TOTP 30th May 1968 > photos,newspaper articles,reviews,private photos etc.

 'The Good The Bad The Ugly' 24th October 1968 > 1 newspaper article 2 on-set photos ,several photos of P P in gold paint make up dept.

         'Get Back' 1st May 1969 >  photos,newspaper articles,reviews,photos,press photos.

A potential source might be Harry Goodwin as he was Top Of The Pops's Official Photographer.Also The Beatles fans have a multitude of Beatle memorabilia & maybe someone has P P dancing to Get Back on a video tape?.if I get time i'll go through some of the numerious Beatle sites to see if anything comes up for Get Back P P- 1969.

If we could compile a user-friendly & clear concise list of all the missing TOTP P P & L&C routines & their dates,then we can start to advertise on the world wide web as to their whereabouts.Maybe even e-mails to the appropriate channels BBC etc.

It's really time & effort but well worth the results.      

 

panfan's picture

I have made a start at compiling a list of the lost routines above Peter, but there's so many from the 60s, I've just linked to the routines pages or there would be pages here, but certainly from PP on we'll list them, and I'll try to get a front page banner done tonight.

If there are any suggestions for the "most wanted", please post here!

It would be wonderful if we did manage to help in the recovery of any!

panfan's picture

 

Wiped routines have been discussed in a variety of places.  Here are some of them:

Lost Pan's People / Legs & Co Routines Found

Photos from Wiped Routines

Internal BBC Archive Clips

Recalling the Wiped Routines

Archives of Pain (history of the BBC's wiping policy)

Ruby Flipper & Wiped TOTPs

16mm Archive Film Found

Kaleidoscope: Pop Goes the Talbot (5 June 2010)

If I've omitted any, please post below.

 

panfan's picture

I've just added a banner to the fornt page to highlight the search for lost routines.  So, new visitors, if you have videos of 1970s TOTPs kicking around, please check with our list or missingepisodes.com - you may well have the only copy left of programmes wiped by the BBC!

Flight14's picture

- Please help us find any of these folks!. -

Many thanks to Panfan for putting together for the 1st time anywhere on the world wide web an actual 'Wants List' in clear,chronological order of Pan's People & all the related dance groups: missing-presumed wiped but could it still exist somewhere? videos or 8mm or 16mm film.

Private collectors & enthusiasts may have them without realising that they are the only copies in existence!.

The BBC may still have them in their library archive collections?,if so ,please,share them with us.

Foreign TV Stations around the world -please re-check your archives for any of the above listed routines.

It would be a proud moment indeed if our website could be responsible for the recovery of even one of the above listed missing routines.

panfan's picture

Thanks Peter - but I think it was your idea to do a 'wanted' list first of all!

Obviously our site is focusing on the troupes, but that's not to say any recordings of the rest of "lost" TOTPs shouldn't be sought and archived for posterity!

Flight14's picture

Too true Panfan.Even news of a 'Top Of The Pops' re-discovered vintage episode is good news for us because of the potential for a recovered Pan's People or RF/L&C/BG/G dance routine.

I think top of my 'wants list' is Pan's People on TOTP dancing to 'The Good,The Bad,& The Ugly' from October & December 1968.They dressed up a Red Indians & had Gold Warpaint in the Christmas 1968  Edition.I envisage them doing a funky War Dance around a Totem Pole or something?.Lol!.Maybe it was recorded by a rich video enthusiast or managed to get transferred onto 16mm film for export to another country?.

panfan's picture

When I get a chance, I'll tidy up the list at the beginning, and we can add in photos that have been identified with routines as thumbnails to help jolt memories (over on Cornershop's Photos of Lost Routines thread).

gibb1962's picture

Rumour has it that the BBC have the 31.03.77 show,including David Soul's 'Going In With My Eyes Open',but the show isn't up to their standards to broadcast.The Legs dance is in a fan's hands,and he's going to upload it sometime to OFTDs.So,good news.

Glenn

panfan's picture

I mentioned on the 1973 list about this turning up:

This is likely old news to the TOTP experts here, but I was recently told that another edition of Top of the Pops has been located within the archives of the National Film Archive.

Dated 22.11.73, Pan's dance to 'Keep On Truckin'.

Flight14's picture

Great news that David Soul's 'G I W M E O' exists but as you say Gibb1962; Not up to BBC's transmission standards.Hopefully it will debut on OFTD.Eddie Kendricks' 'Keep On Truckin' 1973 '-rediscovered!;great revival Panfan-hooray for the National Film Archive.

Paperboyplod's picture

I thought "It Only takes A Minute" was in the archives listed as being on the 07/15/1976 TOTP, is this different from the one on TOTP a fornight earlier, a date that shows this routine entry as a blank space!

Justin

RYAN's picture

Hi PBP, Popscene have made a guess at `It Only Takes a minute Girl` as being on the 1/7/76, like they have with a number of Pans routines earlier. Of course this particular episode of TOTPs raises so many talking points with loads of people. Its the common belief that only two  Ruby Flipper dances took place on that episode, `Leader of the Pack` and `A Littlle Bit More`, but in all honesty this is open too conjecture. I think we shall never really know the true answer to this,  we have asked Sue, but she cant say for definate and who can blame her with so many dances under her belt.                                                     

RYAN

Paperboyplod's picture

So therefore It Only Takes A Minute may only have appeared on the July 15th 1976 edition, as that routine is also listed as being performed in a that episode a fortnight later, the July 1st entry on the list could be wrong!

Justin

Suefan's picture

Hi Panfan, you might want to include in the above table that the Flipper number "Afternoon Delight" was a Sue/Phil duet.  Afraid I've yet to track it down but Sue gave us the heads up a while back over on OFTD.

cornershop15's picture

 

This is the post you're referring to, SueFan ...

Originally posted by Sue Menhenick, 20th August 2011:

Hi Carl, not sure if you still post on this site and if you were still curious about the missing "Afternoon Delight " number. I have been chatting with Philip, and he says its 100% the duet that we did together.....he remembers it very well !!!! We are now going through some of the other queried numbers and will let you know (if we can ) what we come up with. Hope this helps...... Best Wishes Sue Menhenick.   

 

And my Best Wishes to her.

panfan's picture

Many thanks, SueFan!

ALEXMITCH's picture

Hi Ryan

I believe, from memory, Sue and Floyd danced together on 'It Only Takes A Minutes' and it was a 'girl's only' for the 'A Little Bit More' routine. Can't say, though, if it was all four girls or not.  Hope this helps.

 

Alex.

RYAN's picture

Hi Alex, here is a link to `It Only Takes a Minute Girl` this was a Lulu dance . This is from OFTDs.

http://legsandco.blogspot.com/2011/01/ruby-flipper-it-only-takes-minute.html

RYAN

RYAN's picture

Im well intrigued by your comment saying it was a girls only on ` A Little Bit more` . Would you say this is a definate, as info on 1/7/76 is almost non- existant.

RYAN

Flight14's picture

I am pretty certain that 'It Only Takes A Minute' - J K - with Lulu's solo was ommitted from last years' original BBC-4 broadcast Ryan.Good that you have a copy.

panfan's picture

Flight14's picture

Excellent Panfan.I see that Lulu has the same costume as the 'Back In The U.S.S.R.' routine.Not very keen on this song though,prefer the original.

Suefan's picture

If I can suggest another minor tweak to the above info and hope that you don't think I'm just nit-picking.  On the Nov 11 1976 show I'm fairly certain the groups new name was announced before "Spinning Rock Boogie" was shown.  Hence they had officially become "Legs & Co" before that dance aired.  Given the complexity of the number and the need for mixing two bits of tape together in reality it may well have happened in reverse but for the viewer I think the name was announced prior to the dance.

panfan's picture

Not not picking at all Sue Fan, thanks for the correction. I'll edit the entry here and on the 1976 list when I'm on the computer in the evening.

WTH's picture

David Soul can be removed from the 1977 list.

 

ALEXMITCH's picture

Hi Ryan

I'M afraid it's pure memory and nothing else, with regards to the edition of 1st July 1976. I think the girls were all on separate podiums, a little similar to Legs & Co's 'Three Times A Lady' from Xmas 1978. I'M a little more sure of 'It Only Takes A Minute'. Jonathan King was not there. It was definitely a 'disc' performance unlike the 15th July 1976 with Lulu dancing solo along with his live vocals. I'M 100% sure Sue and Floyd were the performers on this occasion. I remember my gran, at the time, commenting how well they did having been forced to watch TOTP around this time.

 

Alex.

panfan's picture

Changes made, with thanks to WTH and SueFan

ALEXMITCH's picture

Hi lined up

I believe you absolutely right about the 'Spinning Rock Boogie' set-up. As the winner of the competition announced her winning entry, the girls, who were lined up with their backs to the camera, swung round to show their spelt out  'Legs & Co' T-shirts and then sometime later in the show, perhaps a performance or two after this event danced to the Hank C.Burnett track.

 

Thanks

Alex.

 

 

cornershop15's picture

 

A few have enquired about the 1st July 1976 Top of the Pops and I know Jez, in particular, will be interested to see the all-important details:

The only difference between the list of artists here and at Popscene is the absence of The Shangri-Las' Leader of the Pack as a third Ruby Flipper routine. 

2nd September 1976:

"TOP OF THE POPS" (BBC1, 7.20)

David Hamilton introduces Abba, the Wombles, Pussycat, Jesse Green, Hot Chocolate, Tina Charles, Bryan Ferry, Rod Stewart, the Real Thing, and Barry Riggs [should be Biggs].

Another discrepancy in Popscene's version, or so it seems, with Wings replacing The Wombles. No mention of Tommy Hunt either and what about Ruby Flipper? They miss out in both lists.

16th September 1976:

"TOP OF THE POPS" (BBC1, 7.10) 

Noel Edmonds introduces Abba, JALN Band, Pussycat, Tina Charles, Jesse Green, Tommy Hunt, Starland Vocal Band, and Real Thing.

Similar to the line-up from a fortnight before. Tommy Hunt is credited this time, but Ruby Flipper are again neglected as a priority.

I'm afraid the Evening Times didn't include any details of artists in their 12th August edition.

 

 

JEZ's picture

Finally the mystery of the 1st july 76 episode as finally been solved by super detective researcher cornershop ,so it looks like ruby flipper did not dance to leader of the pack after all ,so im presuming that the shangrilas song was probably the playout song that week ,thanks very very much cornershop at least we know what to enter now for the july 1st edition ,on the ruby flipper database ,panfan i think the leader of the pack entry on the database can now be removed ,i also think that for the 16th sept edition the fact that no definite evidence for The light of experience song should probably not have a listing on the rf database ,until some positive info like cornershop has just posted comes to light

Rusty Carno's picture

Yes there has been a ton of speculation about this on OFTDs and as usual you've come through Cornershop. Many thanks for this info

Rusty

panfan's picture

Well done Cornershop!

We did actually have (unconfirmed) 100 Ton and a Feather for 01 July 76 until a couple of weeks ago, when someone told me if was definitely wrong and I removed it, so now I can put it back in again, and we know those two routines are now confirmed.

I've mentioned it here too.

RYAN's picture

This is a superb find guys, gotta say im well impressed and it puts to bed years of conjecture and debate. Im quite surprised that `It Only Takes A Minute` was also danced to on the 1st July show. Are we to assume that this was a whole troupe effort unlike the Lulu part solo a couple of weeks later ? Once again, fine work, this has certainly shut me up because im sure `Leader Of The Pack` was the other song they danced to on this show.

RYAN

Flight14's picture

Looks like 'The Leader of the Pack' crashed his motorcycle before Ruby Flipper could get round to dancing to it !....Lol.....

Flight14's picture

I have noticed a 3rd Category of Pan's People etc. 'lost' routines. We have 1 : Completely junked & lost. 2: Found ,at last.  But the 3rd category is : We have about 10 seconds of it!!. Or however many seconds....not necessarily 10......that's just an example.I wonder if we should compile a new list of dance routines where we only seem to have a few seconds of it?.Often members are reporting that they have seen or remember seeing a certain P P dance routine but only a snippet & then it's disappeared because the owner took it down or made it 'private-only' on a web-hosting site.Does this mean that the entire routine is in existence or only a snippet remains of it?.That is the golden question.it appears that a large number of Pan's People dance routines exist on privately owned black & white(occasionally bland colour) VHS or Beta video casettes & they occasionally are leaked out by their owner on compilations or in documentaries.Also the BBC still retain many P P routines that we have yet to see in their entirety.'The Weaver's Answer' is one example.Another is 'You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet' (Lol! how ironic a title).We have about roughly 30 seconds of 'Ghetto Child' now from 2 different sources,part final dance & part rehearsal.So do we list 'Ghetto Child' as 'Not Lost but Not Yet Found'  ? :

e.g.

P P- TOTP Th-11th-Oct-1973 'Ghetto Child' Detroit Spinners - no.of seconds recovered: 30 (or whatever) :

Boogiebox's picture

Hi Peter

Although you say example, are you saying that the BBC have the Pan's People dance routine to You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet?

Great news if this is yet another one they have that's listed as wiped.

I know they have at least part of Family's The Weaver's Answer, I believe inherited from Flick's collection, but I wasn't sure about the other one.

 

Claire

Suefan's picture

It all depends on who is looking and where they look but in truth there are very few dances for which only a few seconds survive; it is usually all or nothing.  There are more than fifty complete TOTP dances that are not in widespread circulation.

 

Boogiebox's picture

Hi Suefan

Wow!  That is a lot. :O

Let's hope they get circulated eventually and that more, currently unknown about, turn up in due course.

Although unlikely to ever surface, Spinning Rock Boogie, Da Doo Ron Ron and Popcorn, among others, would be some of my top favourites to see.

Claire

pp4ever's picture

Personally, I don't see the point of listing something like Ghetto Child in that way when it exists in its entirety in the BBC archive. That fact it isn't "out there" well that's just the way it is isn't it. And, with The Weaver's Answer, that is a complete performance but only the insturmental middle section involves Flick dancing, the rest is the band performing.

Boogiebox's picture

Hi PP4ever

Is this a complete performance at the BBC, or just outside the BBC?

I gather from something said online a while back that Flick only allowed the BBC to have an extract of Pan's People dances she owned for their documentary Digging The Dancing Queens, which included Wedding Bell Blues, Make It With You, Back Stabbers (Rehearsal) and Ain't No Sunshine, etc.

On that basis, this would mean that the BBC only have those particular dances and others in the Pan's People documentary as excerpts only.  Is this right?

I believe The Weaver's Answer clip was sourced from Flick, so I'd guess the BBC only have part of it in their archives?

Claire

pp4ever's picture

They have that one complete although I believe only a relatively recent discovery.

Boogiebox's picture

It's amazing what keeps turning up at and outside the BBC.  Yay! :)

Claire

ALEXMITCH's picture

Thought I'd better share my opinion on this one. Can definitely remember the group's performance with this unusual track, which Simon Bates had a hand in getting into the charts on his Radio 1 show. Costumes are unclear, but I remember Cherry there at the front of the group, crouched down and slowly raising herself up as the track progressed.

Hope this helps.

Paperboyplod's picture

If you mean the original Ruby Flipper, as opposed to the later version on The Lene Martel Show, then they predate Simon Bates on Radio 1, RF was on TOTPs in 1976, SB didn't join Radio 1 until a year later.

Unless you mean that he promoted the track on his early morning Radio 2 programme, that he presented for two years from 1975!

Justin

Boogiebox's picture

Hi Alex

I love the pan pipes on this beautiful instrumental Doina De Jale (The Light Of Experience), which is originally a Romanian folk song.  I'm sure pan pipes were also used on some of Roger Whittaker's songs.

You have an impeccable memory for previously unidentified dance routines and in many cases the costumes and dance routines for the dancers' performances.  I am very impressed. :)

Claire

ALEXMITCH's picture

Thanks Claire

Glad to help along with in this memory game, thanks to those folk who tragically wiped out so much great material.

Boogiebox's picture

Hi Alex

I wonder if this rumour is true that Noel recorded several editions of TOTP.  If he did, he might have 16/9/76.

Claire

gibb1962's picture

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHlD_t10AekGary Jordan,a Slade fan who apparently has a grudge against us fans of the dancing girls,has posted a video of Kenny Everett introducing Pan's People dancing to Ghetto Child.He's deliberately ruined it.

Glenn

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